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Monday, November 28, 2005

Yet another cash grab from Ontario!

You should all read this. It wasn't very well publicized. Bruce got a letter from the MTO but I just heard about it now. I had no idea. Anyway, everyone should make sure they're all legal and whatnot.
You will no longer be permitted to drive a moped on any driver's licence. New moped drivers will be required to take road tests.
A new, restricted class M licence for limited-speed motorcycle (LSM) and moped drivers was introduced on November 28, 2005. This new restricted class M licence has a condition that allows licence holders to drive limited-speed motorcycles and mopeds only.

22 Comments:

  • At 11/28/2005 7:52 PM, Blogger motormatic said…

    If you owned a moped with a valid plate on November 28, 2005 and held a valid driver's licence at the same time you will automatically receive the new M licence with L condition.

    You will receive a letter notifying you of these changes a few days after November 28 and a new licence card will be mailed about 2 weeks after mailing the notification letter.

     
  • At 11/28/2005 8:12 PM, Blogger mopedkytten said…

    I got one of those today in the mail... Sheesh, another make work project for us to see our tax dollars at work!

     
  • At 11/28/2005 8:13 PM, Blogger motormatic said…

    i didn't get one yet.

     
  • At 11/28/2005 8:36 PM, Blogger mohog said…

    I recieved one of those letters today. It also says you're exempted if you already have a drivers license and a registered moped, that your new license is on it's way. You'll be able to ride mopeds, limited speed vehicles and motorcycles as long it doesn't exceed 70 km/hr. I guess that means performance upgrades are legal? You don't need pedals? My reals question is how much is it now to renew your license?

     
  • At 11/29/2005 4:05 AM, Blogger Bruce50cc said…

    The 70 kph refers to the scooters and small motorcycles. Mopeds are still restricted to 50 kph.I see a big grey line here. Police didn't know what a moped was, what exactly is a small motorcycle ?

     
  • At 11/29/2005 6:08 AM, Blogger john said…

    A small motorcycle should be anything under 250 cc, but who knows what the government is really thinking. This change is probably so that the small Vespa crowd can get out riding without taking all the M licencing requirements. I have a couple of small displacement MC's (125cc) that are capable of 70mph + not 70kph. Nothing makes sense anymore! I have not received anything from the Ontario government yet. I carry a M@ at present so what does this make of that designation?

     
  • At 11/29/2005 6:10 AM, Blogger john said…

    Should say M2 in last line, didn't check!

     
  • At 11/29/2005 6:45 AM, Blogger john said…

    Here is the link
    http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/driver/lsm.htm#motorscooter

     
  • At 11/29/2005 9:19 AM, Blogger Bruce50cc said…

    'Limited speed motorcycle'is 50cc and under according to the DMV site.

     
  • At 11/29/2005 12:34 PM, Anonymous david said…

    whoo-hoo, now I can get the Vicky out without being tricky about it.

     
  • At 11/29/2005 1:59 PM, Blogger motormatic said…

    yeah, the norman too. apparantly it's supposed to have a 98cc villiers motor in it.

     
  • At 11/29/2005 11:25 PM, Blogger lars said…

    Well I have an M2 and I want to get a real M. I figured out an evil plan© to get one with my 'ped.

    I didn't renew my motorcycle insurance this year and called the company to cancel, but I still got a request from the MTO to renew my motorcycle plate sticker. So If I renew it then I will have a valid motorcycle plate and sticker. My plan is to put the motorcycle plate on my moped when I take the test and say that its no longer a moped or a L.S.M. as it is 70cc (which is true. The only way that I can think of this not working is if they check that your plate is valid (doubt it), or if the test means you having to go at speeds that my ped can't do.

    If anyone wants to borrow my motorcycle plate for this, please let me know.

    Thanks for the link john.

    It looks like you might not have an excuse for driving with some alcohol in you with an M1/M2. Before mopeds were not mentioned for that, so it might have been legal, I'm not sure what the law says now.
    They also mention mopeds needing to follow the rules of the road:

    Moped drivers are in a high-risk zone for collisions and we would encourage moped drivers to review the rules of the road often which are available on the ministry's website and the official Motorcycle and Driver's Handbooks.

    I'm not sure if this means that they don't want us in the bicycle lane anymore or not. I think the law still only requires you to have a mirror on the left side, indicating that you should not be in the car lane.

     
  • At 11/30/2005 12:18 AM, Blogger motormatic said…

    i thought we weren't supposed to ride in the bicycle lane anyway?

     
  • At 11/30/2005 6:29 AM, Blogger john said…

    Believe it or not, you are supposed to hold your lane, but that can be suicidal at times. I've had OPP follow me on 80 k roads and have never done anything but follow until they had room to pass. On a kitted ped and doing well over 45mph. No hassle out here in the boondocks. Also same thing happened up by Brockville this summer on the Parkway. Ride like you own the road but keep your eyes wide open.

     
  • At 11/30/2005 6:46 AM, Blogger mopedkytten said…

    Before I got my moped, I bought and read the motorcycle handbook thoroughly before even venturing out on the street! It was the best thing that I did and it turned out not only just for myself; but for others too. I have been complimented numerous times by police officers to motorcyclists on everything from my riding posture to my lane position whilst riding! I think everyone should (and I hate using that word with a passion) read that book; it's invaluable. I'll get off my soapbox now...

    =^^=

     
  • At 11/30/2005 9:53 AM, Blogger Bruce50cc said…

    Lars, I'll come and visit you in jail.

     
  • At 11/30/2005 10:33 AM, Blogger Bruce50cc said…

    Lars, it states, if you say you're going to take the test on a full motorcycle and you show up with a LSM ,you will forfeit half your testing fee.You must tell them in advance which type of vehicle you're intending to use.

     
  • At 11/30/2005 10:37 AM, Blogger Bruce50cc said…

    Lars, I assume that you are renewing your motorcycle sticker by lying and stating that you have insurance. Like I said, see in the big house.

     
  • At 12/02/2005 7:48 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Hi guys!
    My name is Istvan from SW Ontario.I need your help!
    I was planning to open a Tomos dealership in the spring.I already spent a couple grand on it.Now with this new regulations I'm thinking about to give up the whole thing before I loose more.
    What you think about? Can I sell mopeds after this?
    Thank you very much!
    Istvan (istvan72@yahoo.com)

     
  • At 12/02/2005 6:47 PM, Blogger john said…

    Think more and more people will gravitate to the scooters or just go on to the motorcycle end. Mopeds as we know it are going to take a big hit on this one. There will always be some but not like Tomos was probably hoping for when they introduced their new line. Also there will be less interest because you have to go through the "M" bullshit.

     
  • At 12/27/2005 8:15 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    this moped licence is unreasonable
    you need a licence to drive a boat car transport heavy equipment...whats next i have to register my canoe...i picked up a moped last year now when i put it on the road i need a licence...i also have a kd 100 what kind of licence do i need...when i was younger there wasn~t 5000$fo no insurace you didnt need nothing but a licence plate, it was cheaper to take the fine.now the goverment wants to drown people for money i have all kinds of small bikes and boats i just have to say the goverment can kiss my ass.ill leave the moped alone try to licence my f you finger on the susuki gsxr 1100....thats my opion.

     
  • At 7/11/2006 9:04 PM, Blogger flyboy9503 said…

    vespa 150cc classified as a lsm per licensing bureau. according to m.o.t. site a 150 is a full speed motorcycle. someone doesn't know what they are doing!

     

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